Alright so I went for a ride (200km) with my new HELD Tamaso pants and they felt SUPER grippy. I felt planted to the seat, no moving about what so ever, even under hard braking. I didn't expect that. However, maybe because of this my ass was sore/tired after a couple of hours on the seat which didn't happen before. Also, they are not as ventilated as my jeans so not as cool for riding the 30+ degrees I have here. Still I'm happy with these pants, I feel much more in contact with the bike. And since it has a lot more protection than the jeans I used to wear I also feel more safe and confident. Hard to ask for more from a 69 EURO pair of pants!